raysaikat
01-06 12:42 AM
reminds me of a popular hindi maxim:
"Shadi aisa laddoo hai jo khaye wo pacchataaye, jo na khaye wo bhi pacchataaye"
loosely translated in english it means
Marriage is a desert which if somebody eats it, he will repent and if somebody does not eat it, will repent too...
(thank god my 5th grade english teacher is no more in this world to see this day...he must be rolling in his grave seeing my poor english translation skills:D)
He would definitely be rolling in his grave by your spelling :D It is "dessert". Unless you are one of the mythical Egyptian gods like Anubis, you are not going to eat a "desert" :p
"Shadi aisa laddoo hai jo khaye wo pacchataaye, jo na khaye wo bhi pacchataaye"
loosely translated in english it means
Marriage is a desert which if somebody eats it, he will repent and if somebody does not eat it, will repent too...
(thank god my 5th grade english teacher is no more in this world to see this day...he must be rolling in his grave seeing my poor english translation skills:D)
He would definitely be rolling in his grave by your spelling :D It is "dessert". Unless you are one of the mythical Egyptian gods like Anubis, you are not going to eat a "desert" :p
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TheGreatMan
07-06 09:38 PM
BBBBRrrrrrrrr another idiot
1) My screen name has nothing to do with the argument here. If we discuss my screen name we are going on a tangent which is very typical of desis (I rememeber womanly taunts in movies and woman gossip where they would pick anything but would niether make a point nor a valid argument)
so you can see where your argument is going..
2) Hopefull signifies optimism. A pessimist is an optimist who is very analytical or knows better. Your argument is similar to "And they lived happily ever after ...(after singing around green trees) ...." ignoring the ground reality, facts that no dent has been made and also turninga blind eye to the fact that there are people since 2001/2002 stuck. Its 2007 meaning five years and if the Dept is not willing to budge after all these efforts to a number more than 7000, and you still are HOPEFULL ignoring the facts means that you are an idiot. Yes you will get your GC before you die for sure provided you live upto the age of appx 70 and your consulting firm is around and you are not tired of the bickering with your employer.
Its just like a Yash Chora SRK movie ...it only happens in reel life and not real life ..
3) as far as the FT job goes we both knwo it deep within what it means...i hope you are smart enough to get the point and wont make me word it to emabrass you further..
4) if you would be intelligent enough to shed some light on how kindness and make you get your GC in thsi scenario ...
just a piece of advise ..STOP BEING DUMB
Looking at your writing skills, I will be amazed if you can get yourself a job in a BPO !! I am sure, you are one illeterate idiot, who just wants to ruffle some feathers and get some attention .. Damn.. I should not be wasting my time reading your messages itself !!!
1) My screen name has nothing to do with the argument here. If we discuss my screen name we are going on a tangent which is very typical of desis (I rememeber womanly taunts in movies and woman gossip where they would pick anything but would niether make a point nor a valid argument)
so you can see where your argument is going..
2) Hopefull signifies optimism. A pessimist is an optimist who is very analytical or knows better. Your argument is similar to "And they lived happily ever after ...(after singing around green trees) ...." ignoring the ground reality, facts that no dent has been made and also turninga blind eye to the fact that there are people since 2001/2002 stuck. Its 2007 meaning five years and if the Dept is not willing to budge after all these efforts to a number more than 7000, and you still are HOPEFULL ignoring the facts means that you are an idiot. Yes you will get your GC before you die for sure provided you live upto the age of appx 70 and your consulting firm is around and you are not tired of the bickering with your employer.
Its just like a Yash Chora SRK movie ...it only happens in reel life and not real life ..
3) as far as the FT job goes we both knwo it deep within what it means...i hope you are smart enough to get the point and wont make me word it to emabrass you further..
4) if you would be intelligent enough to shed some light on how kindness and make you get your GC in thsi scenario ...
just a piece of advise ..STOP BEING DUMB
Looking at your writing skills, I will be amazed if you can get yourself a job in a BPO !! I am sure, you are one illeterate idiot, who just wants to ruffle some feathers and get some attention .. Damn.. I should not be wasting my time reading your messages itself !!!
vban2007
08-19 02:00 PM
I can not certify the form. Even if I certify it comes back with error and tells me to enter middle initial. Tried couple of times, but without any success.
Dos anyone has any idea?
Thanks.
Do we need to select this last option?:
I declare that I prepared this petition at the request of the above person and it is based on all information of which I have knowledge.
Dos anyone has any idea?
Thanks.
Do we need to select this last option?:
I declare that I prepared this petition at the request of the above person and it is based on all information of which I have knowledge.
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smartboy75
08-20 07:09 PM
Complaint to USCIS...I know of one such body shopper who did the same thing...sold one labor to 10 people...when the fraud was caught...the employer was arresetd and the remaining 9 people who bought the labor were deported out of US...u should get the labor bak in ur name....fight for it...if you think this may bring ur downfall....take down ur employer with u...
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vkraman7
02-12 05:09 PM
First thing is that your employer most likely will not send you a legal notice, as it would cause significant time and money for his already depleted financial resources. Even if he does, if such a legal notice is in an email, just ignore it. DO NOT RESPOND.
If it is in your regular mail/UPS/FED EX/Certified mail (most likely), you should consult your new company's attorney and seek legal help. In any case, as long as you have all your eggs in order, you will be fine.
May God be with (and only with) your good intentions.
If it is in your regular mail/UPS/FED EX/Certified mail (most likely), you should consult your new company's attorney and seek legal help. In any case, as long as you have all your eggs in order, you will be fine.
May God be with (and only with) your good intentions.
mhtanim
09-19 10:41 PM
Filed for I-485, EAD & AP - July 9, 2007 - Everything Reached NSC
Got transferred to CSC (don't know when)
CSC Receipt Date - for 485, EAD and AP - 9/6/07 (Receipt notices indicate original received date: 7/9/07)
Checks cashed by CSC 9/7/07
AP & EAD both approved by CSC on 9/12/07
Received both EAD and AP by mail on 9/19/07
Got transferred to CSC (don't know when)
CSC Receipt Date - for 485, EAD and AP - 9/6/07 (Receipt notices indicate original received date: 7/9/07)
Checks cashed by CSC 9/7/07
AP & EAD both approved by CSC on 9/12/07
Received both EAD and AP by mail on 9/19/07
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waitforgc1
02-11 10:38 AM
But, Mpadapa has some reality. That's what we are seeing in last 3 - 4 bulletins. A slow but steady movement.
Atleast with current movement we can plan in what period we can expect our case will clear.
I totally agree..
Atleast with current movement we can plan in what period we can expect our case will clear.
I totally agree..
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DSLStart
04-29 01:42 PM
Pakistan had the F series jet fighters since the last many decades. The Americans were offering the advanced version to India and Pakistan. Pakistan is much ahead of India in maintaining log sheets of it with rich experience of 30-plus years. The type of relationship that exists between the US and Pakistan Air Force what is the guarantee that our system won't be leaked to Pakistan's system? If that happens, India's advantage would vanish.
Quick Chain of events .
India rejected both Boeing and Lockheed Martin's proposal of fighters . I am not debating the reasons or the merits of this decision if this was right or wrong . I am just discussing the potential repercussions this has had so far and might have .
'Exclusion of US firms from IAF jet deal a setback for ties' (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/exclusion-of-us-firms-from-iaf-jet-deal-a-setback.../783401/)
1) The issue is so serious that Tim Roemer , US Ambassador to India submitted his resignation immediately since he was on the hook for making this deal work .This shows the measure of disappointment they had.
2) India was seeking US assurances in security a Permanent Security council seat , which looks far fetched now .
4) Pentagon , Whitehouse and the DoD very upset that deal fell through . This sentiment will certainly percolate to the USCIS and the State department and might embolden Anti Immigration senators whose measures will get more support in the house and senate.
5) Prosecution of companies entangled in cases like Infosys might find more support and favor with the Govt.
Question is how/if there will be a backlash against India / Indian's get back at us at least in the short term .Increased scrutiny and visa denials , PoE Harassment , GC audits etc.
Will the US take a Tit-for-Tat reaction on this issue is what remains to be seen.
Quick Chain of events .
India rejected both Boeing and Lockheed Martin's proposal of fighters . I am not debating the reasons or the merits of this decision if this was right or wrong . I am just discussing the potential repercussions this has had so far and might have .
'Exclusion of US firms from IAF jet deal a setback for ties' (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/exclusion-of-us-firms-from-iaf-jet-deal-a-setback.../783401/)
1) The issue is so serious that Tim Roemer , US Ambassador to India submitted his resignation immediately since he was on the hook for making this deal work .This shows the measure of disappointment they had.
2) India was seeking US assurances in security a Permanent Security council seat , which looks far fetched now .
4) Pentagon , Whitehouse and the DoD very upset that deal fell through . This sentiment will certainly percolate to the USCIS and the State department and might embolden Anti Immigration senators whose measures will get more support in the house and senate.
5) Prosecution of companies entangled in cases like Infosys might find more support and favor with the Govt.
Question is how/if there will be a backlash against India / Indian's get back at us at least in the short term .Increased scrutiny and visa denials , PoE Harassment , GC audits etc.
Will the US take a Tit-for-Tat reaction on this issue is what remains to be seen.
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Abhinaym
07-28 09:30 PM
That was a very illogical reply to the per-country limit question. How come a large number of people from certain countries automatically eliminate people from smaller countries from getting green cards? That's an extremely dumb way of looking at it.
If you remove the limits, yes most of the cards will go to people from India and China, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE #$@!$ING BACKLOGGED FOR DECADES DUE TO THE LIMITS!!
If you remove the limits, yes most of the cards will go to people from India and China, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE #$@!$ING BACKLOGGED FOR DECADES DUE TO THE LIMITS!!
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Ramba
04-13 05:21 PM
So after more than a month of sleepless nights, thanks to Immigration Voice looks like my I 485 application is back on track.
A recap of my situation:
Last month I got an email from USCIS-CRIS stating that my I 485 was withdrawn. After being in this country for close to 10 years and in the immigration queue for more than 7 years why would I withdraw the application ??? I did not withdraw my application !!!
It took me more than a month to find out the reason behind the withdrawal..trust me it was not easy..and guess what ....It was my Attorney who had withdrawn the application in Error. Now what ... I call USCIS multiple times.. talk to many different IO's .. some of them patient and try to help.. some extremely rude.. but all of them had only one thing to say... they cannot help!!..... I get an Info Pass... no help there either.. I set up an emergency meeting with my attorney (one of the large Immigration Law Firms) .. nothing...they accept their mistake tell me that they will do all they can .. but no assurance that they will reinstate the case .. limited forward movement.... things look gloomy and bleak..no one can help me.
Then I called Immigration Voice on the number that is listed on the site and left a voice mail. Promptly got a call back I spoke to a Core member who understood the gravity and urgency of the situation and swiflty moved forward and got in touch with their contacts in the government. The Core member also put me in a conference call with the person who was going to look into my case, I was so relieved that I could explain the situation first hand.
I got a call today and I was told that after evaluating my case my file has been reopened and they have mailed an offical notice regarding the same and I should get it in a few days. *Fingers crossed until I get this notice in hand ;)*
The IV core was extremely sensitive to my situation and were very responsive and extremly helpful. I cant thank Immigration Voice enough for helping me resolve this issue in a quick manner.
I have registered to be a recurring contributing member and I intend to be an active member of this group.
My lessons from this crazy experience are:
- Never trust your attorney, always ask for a copy of any letter/document they send to USCIS on your behalf
- There is no organization besides IV out there that is looking out for the interests of the Immigrant Community.
- We need to strengthen IV in all ways we can, we need to be active.
- And as so many members have already said "We are IV." If we want things to be better "WE" need to do something about it.
I urge members who are still contemplating becoming active members to evaluate their options and to become active and contributing members of IV.
- Peace
ps:
Another point I would like to add is that no other organization has the kind of reach and the credibility with USCIS as IV has as far as representing the true interests of the Immigrant Community goes. IV is a huge asset we have and we should work towards strenthening it.
Happy to hear that. You should have sued the law firm for million dollor for the damage they did and the mental torure/sleepless night that you experience, and split that money with IV. :)
Few more lessons are..
1. You should control over immigration papers. Some of the applications you must to do by your self like EAD, AP and infact 485 too.
2. If you want to terminate the lawyer representation of your application, you should write the withdrawl of representation letter to USCIS; not to the attorney. You may send a courtasy copy to the lawyer, to redirect any mail they recive from USCIS to you.
A recap of my situation:
Last month I got an email from USCIS-CRIS stating that my I 485 was withdrawn. After being in this country for close to 10 years and in the immigration queue for more than 7 years why would I withdraw the application ??? I did not withdraw my application !!!
It took me more than a month to find out the reason behind the withdrawal..trust me it was not easy..and guess what ....It was my Attorney who had withdrawn the application in Error. Now what ... I call USCIS multiple times.. talk to many different IO's .. some of them patient and try to help.. some extremely rude.. but all of them had only one thing to say... they cannot help!!..... I get an Info Pass... no help there either.. I set up an emergency meeting with my attorney (one of the large Immigration Law Firms) .. nothing...they accept their mistake tell me that they will do all they can .. but no assurance that they will reinstate the case .. limited forward movement.... things look gloomy and bleak..no one can help me.
Then I called Immigration Voice on the number that is listed on the site and left a voice mail. Promptly got a call back I spoke to a Core member who understood the gravity and urgency of the situation and swiflty moved forward and got in touch with their contacts in the government. The Core member also put me in a conference call with the person who was going to look into my case, I was so relieved that I could explain the situation first hand.
I got a call today and I was told that after evaluating my case my file has been reopened and they have mailed an offical notice regarding the same and I should get it in a few days. *Fingers crossed until I get this notice in hand ;)*
The IV core was extremely sensitive to my situation and were very responsive and extremly helpful. I cant thank Immigration Voice enough for helping me resolve this issue in a quick manner.
I have registered to be a recurring contributing member and I intend to be an active member of this group.
My lessons from this crazy experience are:
- Never trust your attorney, always ask for a copy of any letter/document they send to USCIS on your behalf
- There is no organization besides IV out there that is looking out for the interests of the Immigrant Community.
- We need to strengthen IV in all ways we can, we need to be active.
- And as so many members have already said "We are IV." If we want things to be better "WE" need to do something about it.
I urge members who are still contemplating becoming active members to evaluate their options and to become active and contributing members of IV.
- Peace
ps:
Another point I would like to add is that no other organization has the kind of reach and the credibility with USCIS as IV has as far as representing the true interests of the Immigrant Community goes. IV is a huge asset we have and we should work towards strenthening it.
Happy to hear that. You should have sued the law firm for million dollor for the damage they did and the mental torure/sleepless night that you experience, and split that money with IV. :)
Few more lessons are..
1. You should control over immigration papers. Some of the applications you must to do by your self like EAD, AP and infact 485 too.
2. If you want to terminate the lawyer representation of your application, you should write the withdrawl of representation letter to USCIS; not to the attorney. You may send a courtasy copy to the lawyer, to redirect any mail they recive from USCIS to you.
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PDOCT05
08-15 03:22 PM
I have just called USCIS and spoke to very good and friendly lady IO. She has told me that in case if our applications is rejected for any reason due to lack of intial evidence,less amount of check or any other reason they will send a notice for re-submittal of application.
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04-01 08:05 PM
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hiralal
11-04 03:44 AM
Changing to vertical spillover will NOT help EB3 India or China. EB3 ROW is not current and it will suck up all overflow leaving EB2I, EB2C, EB3I and EB3C to their annual quota only. USCIS changing the process to horizontal spillover is the best thing that has happened to I and C community in the absence of immigration reform. Now there is at least some hope for EB3 folks to get a new job and apply in EB2, as at least that queue is faster. If we fight among ourselves and stop vertical spillover, it will only benefit EB3ROW as they will get all overflow from EB1 and EB2ROW. Please guys, let's not fight.
you are from eb2 - I wonder what your opinion would have been if you were from eb3 - India ??? my feeling and hope is that they will start giving more spillover visas to eb3 categories - the reason being that they don't want too much gap between employment categories
(eb2I date in 2007 while eb3 is still in 2001 does not look good)
you are from eb2 - I wonder what your opinion would have been if you were from eb3 - India ??? my feeling and hope is that they will start giving more spillover visas to eb3 categories - the reason being that they don't want too much gap between employment categories
(eb2I date in 2007 while eb3 is still in 2001 does not look good)
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chmur
12-13 11:27 PM
To highlight other point of view and keep the debate balanced... It ain't rosy on the other side(India) either.
There is a severe shortage of highly skilled personnel in India too.
For those talents , salaries have gone through the roof. Add to that rupee has appreciated a whopping 11% this year...significantly compromising cost advantage.
attrition is a problem to get anything significant done . There are many stories of companies moving out of india due to attrition.
and for those outsourcing companies like wipro , infy etc where name of the game is pure staff augumentation/outsourcing ..... immigration issues will hit their business too.
Add to that all the peripheral issues with doing business in India ....poor infrastructure, cultural issues and overhead/risk of managing distributed teams etc ...
Pure outsourcing/staff augumentation business model employed by Indian bell weather IT companies is finally being challenged.
Simply put: There ain,t free lunch, anywhere.
IMO: Purely from career standpoint , getting a greencard and staying put in US, is still the best option by a distance.
There is a severe shortage of highly skilled personnel in India too.
For those talents , salaries have gone through the roof. Add to that rupee has appreciated a whopping 11% this year...significantly compromising cost advantage.
attrition is a problem to get anything significant done . There are many stories of companies moving out of india due to attrition.
and for those outsourcing companies like wipro , infy etc where name of the game is pure staff augumentation/outsourcing ..... immigration issues will hit their business too.
Add to that all the peripheral issues with doing business in India ....poor infrastructure, cultural issues and overhead/risk of managing distributed teams etc ...
Pure outsourcing/staff augumentation business model employed by Indian bell weather IT companies is finally being challenged.
Simply put: There ain,t free lunch, anywhere.
IMO: Purely from career standpoint , getting a greencard and staying put in US, is still the best option by a distance.
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poorslumdog
09-10 08:43 PM
Guys,
Sorry to deviate from PMP...since its related to certification I am posting it here...
If anyone of you here in SAP, Oracle apps, JDE...this might be useful. I have APICS CSCP (Certified Supply Chain Professional) books all four volumes in very good condition. I have cleared the exam today and putting it for sale. If you need please send me private message. I will donate 10% to IV. I am listing it here as there are lot of guys in IT and working in ERP. So please dont give me red.
Thanks.
Sorry to deviate from PMP...since its related to certification I am posting it here...
If anyone of you here in SAP, Oracle apps, JDE...this might be useful. I have APICS CSCP (Certified Supply Chain Professional) books all four volumes in very good condition. I have cleared the exam today and putting it for sale. If you need please send me private message. I will donate 10% to IV. I am listing it here as there are lot of guys in IT and working in ERP. So please dont give me red.
Thanks.
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mbawa2574
08-20 04:42 PM
Go get a good lawyer .File a lawsuit against attorney for breach of contract and ask for minimum 5 to 6 million dollars in damages. see if you can involve the company too. screw their happiness to the largest extent . Expose your employer and file a complaint that he forced you to pay for your labour cert and 140 expenses. DOL will shut him down as they are already investigating these fraud shops.
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jasguild
07-16 11:09 PM
I hear what you are saying. I am just saying this is a band aid solution.
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shamu
01-11 09:36 PM
I am not sure what your health insurance situation with your employer is. Here is some thing I know. Please research and see whether this helps.
Under HIPPA regulations, insurance companies cannot decline pregnancy as pre existing condition if you and your spouse are covered by group coverage. Generally, group coverage is the coverage you get from your employer. If you currently do not have health insurance through your employer, try to sneak into the plan now as most employers will have open enrollment period during Jan/Feb of each year. If you try to buy individual coverage from a HMO/PPO, those insurance companies can mercilessly decline maternity coverage.
If you get into group coverage, no matter what trimester your wife is in, insurance companies WILL have to cover the maternity as per the plan choose.
Please investigate and let us know what you find.
Thank you Nixtor,
My employer does not have group insurance. I tried compelling him to take but .....
Then I bought a individual insurance for my self, wife and kid (in Texas)
And insurance companies in Texas are not providing maternity insurance for individual insurances (not violating HIPPA rules) and very recently came to know that my insurance covers the compilications of maternity(not really sure, need for confirm with some one or would try to call my insurance company for more details) and for new born child as per Texas law. But not the regular maternity. Which is the reason I am trying to buy a plan from Hospital for Maternity.
And about your last point, I am trying to find out if I can get into any group. currently used AC21 with H1 and my employer does not have group insurance.
My client (big one) is ready to give me full time but not the title that I want and they are not ready to do H1 (with AC21) but agreed with EAD
Even prime vendor is ready to give full time with EAD with the title that I want and client is ok with that.
The only problem is if I leave my current employer and go to prime vendor, then it would be a problem, else find a different employer do a different H1 and ask the vendor to transfer (but not sure if this would create complications unless my current employer is OK with it).
Need your input on these!
But let me know if you know any one who bought Materinity plan from Hospital in Texas (Dallas)
Thanks for your response!
Thanks to every one who stopped by this post and replying, thank you all.
Under HIPPA regulations, insurance companies cannot decline pregnancy as pre existing condition if you and your spouse are covered by group coverage. Generally, group coverage is the coverage you get from your employer. If you currently do not have health insurance through your employer, try to sneak into the plan now as most employers will have open enrollment period during Jan/Feb of each year. If you try to buy individual coverage from a HMO/PPO, those insurance companies can mercilessly decline maternity coverage.
If you get into group coverage, no matter what trimester your wife is in, insurance companies WILL have to cover the maternity as per the plan choose.
Please investigate and let us know what you find.
Thank you Nixtor,
My employer does not have group insurance. I tried compelling him to take but .....
Then I bought a individual insurance for my self, wife and kid (in Texas)
And insurance companies in Texas are not providing maternity insurance for individual insurances (not violating HIPPA rules) and very recently came to know that my insurance covers the compilications of maternity(not really sure, need for confirm with some one or would try to call my insurance company for more details) and for new born child as per Texas law. But not the regular maternity. Which is the reason I am trying to buy a plan from Hospital for Maternity.
And about your last point, I am trying to find out if I can get into any group. currently used AC21 with H1 and my employer does not have group insurance.
My client (big one) is ready to give me full time but not the title that I want and they are not ready to do H1 (with AC21) but agreed with EAD
Even prime vendor is ready to give full time with EAD with the title that I want and client is ok with that.
The only problem is if I leave my current employer and go to prime vendor, then it would be a problem, else find a different employer do a different H1 and ask the vendor to transfer (but not sure if this would create complications unless my current employer is OK with it).
Need your input on these!
But let me know if you know any one who bought Materinity plan from Hospital in Texas (Dallas)
Thanks for your response!
Thanks to every one who stopped by this post and replying, thank you all.
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gcdreamer05
04-13 11:59 AM
Brother, your idea is good but practically it is very difficult.
Do you see a donate progress bar at the top, it took an entire month and lot of pushing to get 10,000 US$ in donation.
People are not willing to donate, many have questions about credibility and what work is being done, some have lost entire hope and hence not willing to donate.
It is like chicken and egg, we are asking people to donate to see change, some are saying change is not there and donation does not make a difference.
If it is so difficult to collect 10,000 US$ a month how can your plan collect 5 million ?
If someone is going to ask you the following questions what are your answers,
1) If i donate 50$ what is the feedback (in terms of info, progress) that i will get?
2) What will you do if the administration thanks us and takes the donation and gives it off to a non-profit education organization. (giving donation does not mean that they will do something for us). Then what do we do.
Instead can we not use that money to lobby for our goals.
Do you see a donate progress bar at the top, it took an entire month and lot of pushing to get 10,000 US$ in donation.
People are not willing to donate, many have questions about credibility and what work is being done, some have lost entire hope and hence not willing to donate.
It is like chicken and egg, we are asking people to donate to see change, some are saying change is not there and donation does not make a difference.
If it is so difficult to collect 10,000 US$ a month how can your plan collect 5 million ?
If someone is going to ask you the following questions what are your answers,
1) If i donate 50$ what is the feedback (in terms of info, progress) that i will get?
2) What will you do if the administration thanks us and takes the donation and gives it off to a non-profit education organization. (giving donation does not mean that they will do something for us). Then what do we do.
Instead can we not use that money to lobby for our goals.
priya34
10-11 04:25 PM
Same situation here too. My husband came to this country in 1999. Filed for greencard in 2004. Labor was sent to philly BEC and it got cleared in September 2007 so we too missed the window too. Not sure what to do
arnab221
06-10 04:14 AM
I think there are people who have a labor pending from July 4th 1776 , so they might take the date back to July 4th 1776 when the US was formed and when the USCIS was established . However they will then not allow people living in the west coast and the then Confederate states to apply , only people living in the Union states will be eligible to apply .
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